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3On the main participation page, the Design and Branding, etc. listings of active items should have a countdown clock or a "Complete" marker similar to the overview in our individual account pages. -
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3So with the old system, I knew exactly how many ideas there were and with pagination, was able to review and stop and then come back later and start where I left off, especially with Alpha sort. I think there needs to be some sort of dynamic counter to let us know the number of ideas in the search at any one time. As a new item is entered the counter changes, as one leaves, it changes again and then a way to mark a place and come back to it later. The live scrolling page of ideas is a slower process than previously. It needs to be tweaked so that we can move thru it quicker.
Shirley, as for the save ideas filter, I am not sure exactly how that would work. I don't want to click "save" on each idea as I go. Please don't take my comments as negative criticisms, this is all new to all of us so I am just trying to figure it out as I go. I look forward to any helpful comments to help us all get thru the ideas in an organized fashion. -
3Agree with MarcR that we need a way to know what we have/haven't looked through. I don't know if it's easier to pick a category and go through one category at a time. If I do that, how do I know when new ones are added to categories I have gone through? Is there a way to sort which ones are expiring soon, so we'll be able to keep up as time goes on?
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Hey Quirks, pagination and the ability to hide/unhide ideas have been rolled out this week. More to come as the UX team tests solutions to the issues you've highlighted. Thanks so much for sharing! -
Yes, the next stage of New Eval (Beta) will be adding more collaboration tools and figuring out how to award influence.
Quirks, no need to repeat any points you've already made. We understand the suggestions that have been made, and we're working along those same lines. No worries! -
1Hey Quirks!
The main frustration I'm hearing is the overwhelming number of submissions to go through. I totally get it. Don't worry, we're not ignoring this. The UX team is testing different ways of making eval more manageable for people to go through, and your suggestions are being taken into account.
The fun thing about Beta is that changes can be very fluid. I really hope that you enjoy this process with us.
Another major question is how voting influence works. Basically, if you vote for any idea that gets moved into Under Consideration, you get influence in whichever products get chosen out for development. If you voted for the actual winning idea, then you would get a little more influence as well. -
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New blog post about voting and rating changes. That doesn't answer everything, so keep 'em coming!
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Ideas in the "under consideration" filter have the vote buttons grayed out and can't be voted on. Is it too late to vote for these items?
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This was going to be my next post. A must have.
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2When clicking on an illustration, it opens smaller in a new window rather then a popup. It was better when it opened full screen.
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1Where is the 'hide' feature that is stated in the blog (for filtering)? I only see a 'save' feature.-
A hide button will be extremely helpful! Without someway to designate ideas you've already considered and don't want to vote on the voting process is going to be very cumbersome. For now I'm using the save button - but will still have to sort through those again later.
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+1. Hide button would be very useful.
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2I'd like some way to view alphabetically or go back to where I left off as I review ideas. I personally liked having pagination at times. With the way it is now, I don't know how many ideas there are or when they will end. I realize that people are going to be constantly adding ideas and that they go live immediately but it would be nice to know where I am and what I've looked at without having to rehash thru them. There very well may be a way to do this but I have yet to figure it out. Regardless, kudos for a good start on a new look. I know it will take time to tweak.
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Can you include view "unread" or "read" (and allow us to mark accordingly). I don't quite understand Saved.
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I believe Saved is to narrow down your favorites so you can then go back over just those ideas and vote or comment on what you like best and follow the comments/conversation about them.
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3Agree with MarcR that we need a way to know what we have/haven't looked through. I don't know if it's easier to pick a category and go through one category at a time. If I do that, how do I know when new ones are added to categories I have gone through? Is there a way to sort which ones are expiring soon, so we'll be able to keep up as time goes on?
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New blog post about voting and rating changes. That doesn't answer everything, so keep 'em coming!
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So, Can I 'save' all those that I've viewed and then sort by 'unsaved' to see what I still have to look at?
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Hey all. Just tried to submit an idea and can't. Keep getting an "application error" message. . .
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Hey Fred and Sandi, this is a known issue and we're working on a fix! Please email questions@quirky.com or post in this thread to make sure we don't miss you guys when we're working our way through!
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3So with the old system, I knew exactly how many ideas there were and with pagination, was able to review and stop and then come back later and start where I left off, especially with Alpha sort. I think there needs to be some sort of dynamic counter to let us know the number of ideas in the search at any one time. As a new item is entered the counter changes, as one leaves, it changes again and then a way to mark a place and come back to it later. The live scrolling page of ideas is a slower process than previously. It needs to be tweaked so that we can move thru it quicker.
Shirley, as for the save ideas filter, I am not sure exactly how that would work. I don't want to click "save" on each idea as I go. Please don't take my comments as negative criticisms, this is all new to all of us so I am just trying to figure it out as I go. I look forward to any helpful comments to help us all get thru the ideas in an organized fashion.- view 1 more comment
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Noted, thanks for the feedback! My team's focused on resolving the most immediate problems and answering questions first. Then, we'll be working with the UX and tech teams to discuss requests for new tools/features.
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1I think there needs to be pages and some sort of number system (I know projects are on going and are submitted and end at different times, but there has to be a way for us to know how far we've gotten).
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1. Unable to submit "resubmit" idea from last week's Rachael Ray round.
2. Received 'Application Error' at Step 3. (I haven't check to see if $10 was deducted.)
3. Step 2 (review) needs an Edit button- view 1 more comment
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Submitted this idea 2 more times under Firefox. I received Application Errors. My account will likely need to be refunded $30 total if the ideas don't post. Stay tuned!
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Getting a wee bit frustrated that I am unable to submit an idea in Safari or Firefox. Any ideas?
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2Isn't navigation a top priority in interface design? The endless scroll that gives you no idea where you are in an unspecified number of ideas is so not user friendly.
I agree with MarcR and Michelle Drake. There needs to be a way to break up the list into workable chunks that makes it possible for one to come back later and know where one left off.
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Absolutely! We're collecting all suggestions/requests about navigation into one neat list for the UX/tech teams.
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The ability to put a space between paragraphs would be sweet.
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Hey Sandi, spaces are supported in eval comments, at least the ones I've tested. Could you tell me where they're not saving for you? Thx!
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Shirley - is it possible to have spaces between paragraphs on the submission page? It's hard to submit text that is easy to flow through without spaces between paragraphs.
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I really think that it is going to get confusing with new ideas submitted at any time. I think that they should only be added once a week. That gives time for some to end (after 30 days) and the new ones to be added. Then we would be able to have numbers and keep better track.
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Hey Stazy, we'll keep an open mind if you will. Give things a try first. Then let us know what you think!
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Its very important to know which ideas we have looked over and which ones we havent, a "reviewed" button would be great, otherwise we will miss a lot of ideas. Especially the ones submited first which only have a chance to make it in the "Random" area because they will never be watched under "newest" and because of that they will neve be "most active", Im not sure about the "under consideration" area but however those are selected, if they never got to the last ideas, those wont make it there either.
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1As I get to the bottom of the page I keep getting a spinning icon while I wait for the next round of ideas to load. Sometimes the next round of ideas load at a normal speed and other times it completely stalls out. Not good if I am trying to review ideas. If it stalls out I am probably just going to stop reviewing ideas. Any thoughts on why this is happening and can it be fixed? This is making it MUCH slower to review ideas than the previous way.
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Yes. It is happening to me as well.
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Is there a way to go to the next idea without having to go back out to the whole list to click into an idea? That would streamline the process if possible. Thanks!
Oh - and kudos to everyone involved in the upgrade - it looks like a lot of work went into this and I appreciate your interest and willingness to make changes. Change is good!!! Even when it is complicated. Thanks - and get some sleep people - I'm sure you need it!!! -
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I was going to say that too. A reverse sort by expiration to give ideas the best chance for a community eval before expiring. That way we can prioritize our browsing for those which are going away.
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Good idea!
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4I would like to see names and comment counts off the pages so that those with a large following don't skew the comments and make us look at the product idea because the comments or the person is a successful inventor or the comments are fluff...Please consider this...thanks...
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Can you fix the Editing Tool in our brief pages. Not functioning.
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(1) Need pages and page numbers back. Submissions are constantly being loaded when I scroll to the bottom.
(2) SAVE flag is good but we need a VIEWED flag on each submission and then a corresponding filter that says NOT VIEWED. This will begin to allow us to manage the hundreds of submissions (all appearing on one page). We set the filter and what we see is what we haven't looked at yet.
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Individual "categories submenus" should show "Oldest Inventions First" and have a Bookmark option so when coming back to reviewing ideas we can be pulled back to where we left off in each "individual category."
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There is NO need to Show "NEW inventions" in every category — Unless Quirky's intent is to "bury inventions" under 200 other invention within 24 hours.
Quirks who are trying to look at all the invention will never get the 200th or 300th idea because people aren't going to HAVE THE TIME OR PATIENTS TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THOSE IDEAS, especially with new ideas popping in front of others. -
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1The inventions in Group 0197 never went in individually. We went in as a big group on Monday. Shouldn't our submissions go in individually like all those that followed? We thought we were playing by the old system and got swept up in the new system. We are all SO buried by new submissions. Doesn't seem fair.
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Shirley,
Thanks for your prompt reply.
I appreciate the effort to improve the system, and I'm confident it will be a good, working system with all the feedback you are getting.
However, I do feel that those of us in group 0197 were at a disadvantage. True, we got grouped together as before, but as soon as our submissions went live, new ideas began piling on top of ours one by one and got listed as "Newest".
I'm just saying we should have had a chance to be seen one by one too.
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Shirley, so if you vote for an idea that gets moved to consideration but not picked, what do you get influence in, the ideas you didn't vote for that end up picked for that week?
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I think that the pages should be brought back, scrolling goes very slow and also when i do go to look at an idea when i want to go back it brings me back but not to the last idea I looked at. Also if someone i have come to know in the community wants to look at my idea there is no ref number to go to. Little things like this csn make the Quirky experience better.
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Too many!!
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...places to have to look for info on how things work.
...forums, threads and links to try to get an idea of what Q is up to.
Simplify. Simplify. Simplify. Simplify. Simplify. (please?)
Enforce your own submission qualifications: Too many redundant submissions. Too many for existing products. Too many with not enough info. Filter these out BEFORE they get to us.
Allow thumbs up or down....x number of thumbs down and you're gone. Allow me to filter by thumbs up so I can view just the items I've not yet seen.
Find a way to give credit for meaningful comments.
Allow me to tag an idea so that I get contacted for each and every stage where I can have input.
Reduce the number of forums and put the manpower to improving, expanding and keeping an up to date FAQ area. (simplify)-
also, too many submissions for changes to packaging ot containers...things that aren't consumer items. Please filter them.
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To simplify the blog style feed of new ideas and to help with keeping up with where you were during product reviews, I'd love to see the new ideas grouped by date submitted. This idea's been tossed around in the form page, but I didn't see it in the list above (Is there another spot to post this?). At the end of each day, archive the new entries so you only see the current days ideas. Then you can review the ideas by the day they were submitted, thus giving us the ablity to keep track of which ideas we've reviewed.
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Re-posting from what I suggested in forum...
Some are suggesting to do away with rating. I highly disagree.
Much of the analytical information that is collected for ideators was useless. Ideators of rejected ideas need to be provided better data for their $10.
People begged for comments. The pimping threads proved that. (not often for the right reason but to only accumulate comments) But many would really like to get feedback and with this system, they are getting none. Many have been very careful not to leave critical comments to avoid conflicts that sometimes cause grudges and retaliatory comments on their own submissions. "Rating" is more of an anonymous response, and with the endless ideas coming in daily, it just takes too much time to leave personal comments.
Two of the previous rating scales were easy for me to select.
"Uniqueness" was an easy way to say, too many of these already exist.
"Would you buy this", targeted markets from our own cross section of community's presale support.
*I would really like to see how this data would compare with commitments during the presale phase.
"What would you pay for this" should help QDS predetermine if it is feasible to pursue with their time and money.
IMO, I would limit rating to a maximum of three questions. More might force more people to "speed rate" as was once admitted by members in the forum.
•••Rating has always been an option. Some members took the time to do it. Those that didn't have the time could simply vote.-
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Thanks for the suggestions, all. This is a beta version of new eval, so we will be using your feedback to refine this system. Keep going through eval and letting us know what works & what doesn't.
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1In the prior weekly groupings there were 500+ submissions to review. So, for a 30-day period you're expecting us to review 2,000+ submissions with new ones being added daily? Unreasonable. If the goal of Q is to allow consumer response to 'bubble up' the better ideas, you've gone in the wrong direction. We can't possibly review them adequately.
Return to the weekly groupings and put the top x-number of submissions in a holding pattern. After 4 weeks put all of the winners up for a face-off with the top x-number going into further development.-
That is not really necessary, as a percentage of ratings, which I believe is 75% could relate to each day's submissions, which may be around 100 or less at this time. They could be divided down even further into the number of submissions in one hour.
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2There needs to be a preset amount of time for an idea to "rest" in the round before being moved into "consideration".
You cannot expect everyone to be able to get through every idea in a day, especially not here in the beginning of this new system.
Ideas that are modified while active should repopulate at the top of the list as "newest" in order to not be reburied below.-
Instead of repopulating modifications to the "newest" sort, it might be better to have a sort called "Recently Modified" (or comparable) where a modified submission stays in that sort queue for maybe 48 hours or so (it would have to eventually recycle out of it at some point (thus I suggested 48 hours, but it should be whatever amount of time Q deems applicable), otherwise the list will be as long as the amount of submissions entered with everyone making modifications).
The reason I'm thinking that it wouldn't be a good idea to have it recycle to the top of the "newest" sort whenever modified, is that it could get out-of-hand if people make a small word change just so they can get their submissions back up to the top of the "newest" sort. If everyone starts doing that, it would defeat the purpose of the "newest" sort. -
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From Shirley Chan (Community Ambassador) 3 hours ago. --"....You actually have a lot more chances to earn influence with this system, instead of the "pick the winner" scenario in the old system."
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Hey Shirley.... How so? I'm not seeing the potential chances at the moment. Why do you feel this way?
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Shirley, you seem to be the one given the task of appeasing the masses so I'll address this to you but ask for comments from others.
The New Eval System is a giant leap forward. I know it's Beta and subject to change, so I think a tiny step back is in order.
I think a solution that can be implemented relatively quickly and easily is to have the submissions grouped into weekly categories - 4 weekly submission categories that act just as the new system, but can be looked at separately as Week 1, Week 2... (after 30 days or 4 weeks, the earliest weekly grouping would disappear and therefore there'd be no need for a 30 day countdown - after 4 weeks = gone). Access would be the same as the new system, immediately available for comment and voting in any week, but after a week has past, all new submissions would go into the next week, making us better able to keep track of what we looked at. Also, agreeing with zymie, a submission should have to wait for at least 1 week before it can be taken Under Consideration.
The weekly number should increment and submissions in the week should remain constant so one week would show e.g., week 7, 8, 9, 10 and the next week 8, 9, 10, 11, and whatever was in week 8 the week before is still in week 8 the next week except for that which went Under Consideration.
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Phillip, I'm with you.
As I understand it submissions would be collected weekly and remain in that group for 30 days with 'winners' moving on to consideration and 'losers' dropping off. Instead of ideas adding on and dropping off daily, they would add to the new week's set and drop off as a group. So during that 30 (28?) days 3 new groups woulb be formed, one for each week. People would be able to review the 3 groups from more recent weeks, but could focus on the one scheduled to drop the earliest.
I think this is a great compromise of the two systems. The only possible problem I see is if this solves whatever motivated the change in the first place. If Quirky was getting overwhelmed with too many products to manage in the development stage, this wouldn't solve their problem.
In an earlier post I suggested putting the 'under consideration' ideas from each of 4 weekly groups into a runoff process. This would reduce the number of final ideas for development (pro for them), less chance for success (con) for us and would mean that a 'winner' from week 1 would be sitting around for 3 weeks waiting for the 'winners' from wks 2, 3 and 4. (con) Any tweaks to this idea might help IF indeed that's was Quirky's motivation for the change in the first place! -
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Ben said we would be able to remove our submission. How do I do this? and Do I get a refund? (After all, you did change the rules of the game while we were playing...)
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Good point. We'll reach out to help you delete your idea and process a refund if you do not like this new system.
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How can I archive my old ideas that lost prior to to the new eval? This should be possible.
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If you choose to resubmit an idea, you can select the archive option. There is no way to move ideas that were in the old system into the archive.
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2How about having a small calendar on the side menu where when you click on a particular day, it opens to a page that brings up all/only the submissions that went live on that particular day.
This may help alleviate some of the problems with people being able to keep track of what they already viewed, what they haven't viewed, knowing what exactly are the newest submissions entered, etc.
Being able to view entries by each day they were submitted may make things more organized and less overwhelming, no? Although this past week may be still a little more time to view all the submissions (since this new eval system has just been implemented and a whole bunch of submissions went live at the same time), eventually this calendar method should make things easier in the long run.
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Highlighting/color coding the days on the calendar already viewed is a great idea! I'm sure they can code this into their platform ; }
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Even if they can't, I'm thinking that as a simple "quick fix" a date field box that is used as a selection criterion against the submission date just like the other filters, with an optional calendar as an aid to select the day - puts date in the date box. This would be a single day, not a range of dates - fancy stuff can be added later.
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Duff, yes that sums up what I was saying.
I suspect the reason for the change was to get the Community involved in a more meaningful way and to be rewarded earlier in the process by helping to pick the ideas to be considered, Under Consideration, rather than just the 1 or 2 selected for the week.
They may have been overwhelmed by the number of submissions and therefore wanted more community involvement to help them, but I think it's worse now because the tools are lacking to keep track of what you've read and what you don't want to see again, combined with the fact that the number of submissions in the single rolling category are overwhelming. At least before you could choose a sort and go through a few pages, jot down where you left off and when you continue later, you can pick up exactly where you left off.
It just can't work the way it is with the rolling live submission category and the 4 weekly categories that I mention above (the current week would still be rolling) will at least get it to where the Community can manage the ideas as before.
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600 submissions per week = 2,400+ submissions per 30 days that we're supposed to keep track of and review? Forget it. Right now we don't even know which ones are about to expire and every day there are new ones expiring. Getting it back into weekly groups is the only way I can see to get some control back.
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Just for fun I put together a Gantt chart showing how weekly groups could work in a rolling 28 day viewing environment. Winning ideas from 4 different weeks would move into a faceoff round with the winners going into development.
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Wow Duff, I like your idea of fun! :) Thanks for all your great suggestions, we're lucky to have you.
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1I'm having trouble with going back and forth with the submittions. When you select an idea to review in more detail, or add a comment, then go back to the previous page, it goes back to the top. So when you get 600 ideas deep, find one you like, select it to comment, then go back, you've got to scroll down through the 600 ideas again just to get back where you started! Is it just me, or is this one of the "bugs" in the new system?
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I'm new to Quirky and this is my pet peeve with this site!!! I find it very tedious and I don't have a lot of time to waste so I don't check out most submissions because of this.
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A little bit of advice for the eval engineers. Remember always to measure twice, cut once.
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For the section on the left on the Participation page that shows the products in Design and Branding (like taglines and research questions, etc) - it would be really helpful to have the Time Left detail placed on there so we can use that as a reminder of upcoming deadlines without having to drill in to find out. Thanks!!!
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1Hey Quirks!
The main frustration I'm hearing is the overwhelming number of submissions to go through. I totally get it. Don't worry, we're not ignoring this. The UX team is testing different ways of making eval more manageable for people to go through, and your suggestions are being taken into account.
The fun thing about Beta is that changes can be very fluid. I really hope that you enjoy this process with us.
Another major question is how voting influence works. Basically, if you vote for any idea that gets moved into Under Consideration, you get influence in whichever products get chosen out for development. If you voted for the actual winning idea, then you would get a little more influence as well.-
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Yes, I believe that all of the frustrations boil down to the "influencers" being unable to manage what they've seen and what they haven't seen, and for the "submitters", their ideas being buried very quickly and not being seen.
By way of example, I resubmitted an idea a few days ago (from last week), an idea that in the previous submission got tons of votes but didn't quite make the top 5.
In the first 24 hours after resubmitting, I got 34 votes then in the next 3 days I got only 12 votes. I conclude that ideas are seen when they at the top of the Newest page and are therefore read and voted. ("Top" defined as as far down as someone is willing to scroll in a sitting.) After a few days, no one can get to them (or is willing to scroll that far), and unless you happen to be at the top of the Random list, fewer people see the ideas and therefore fewer votes are cast.
My idea didn't all of a sudden go bad from last week, or from the first 24 hours, yet the vote velocity (i.e., number of votes per day) dropped to a crawl. It has to be that the submission is lost in a sea of other submissions. Any solution has to address the issues for "influencers" and "submitters" or no one will be happy.
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Shirley, yes, everyone is trying very hard to contribute to the development of the site. So far it's been a rather one-sided conversation. Without knowing what Quirky was trying to accomplish with the recent changes all we can do is react blindly to what's there now and only hope that we're moving in the right direction.
Moving from weekly groups to monthly groups suggests to me that there was a problem managing the many facets of the overlapping processes on a weekly basis. I know it was boggling for me to follow; it must have been very difficult to actually manage so many projects. For example, does your staff want to be able to control their workflow better by being able to place ideas 'under consideration' at any time rather than having several come at once?
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Any chance more influence will be given out to comments that are particularly helpful in getting an idea out of "Under Consideration" and into gettin' made?
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In the forums, there seems to be a lot of frustration that there won't be as much influence given out because it will be harder to gain influence from votes since ideas can be pulled at anytime--even with just three votes.
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My argument has been that this might be Quirky's way of coming up with a better way of distributing influence rather than a way to curtail it. Rather than rewarding people for simply guessing which idea will be chosen, Quirky will now work on rewarding people for improving or growing an idea, i.e. for turning an idea into a viable solution. In doing so, this will incentivize members to leave better, more constructive comments (e.g. more, "How about adding X to this?" or, "You could do Y and make this idea better" as opposed to just leaving comments like "OMG, this is awesome" or "I'd rather be shaving with a cheese grater than use this.") Is there any truth to this?
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Hi Shirley. Thanks for the topic. I'm sure I sound like a broken record but I think the submissions for just that day/date should populate the scrolling list on the front page. Then a calendar above to select the 30 days back of active submissions with a submission count on each day (excluding current day). Arrows move the months and grayed out calendar for submissions past 30 days that you can view but not vote on. Please do something like this to make it more manageable and easy. I like visiting Quirky at different times throughout the day but this isn't my full time job. A lot of time is wasted getting back to my previous point where I left off. We know what was already submitted and the unknown is what will be submitted. So let's make it quick and easy to navigate the known. Thanks. Keep up the good work.
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Yes, the next stage of New Eval (Beta) will be adding more collaboration tools and figuring out how to award influence.
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I think there is an issue with the finer development of an invention within the concept stage. This is what typically happens: someone submits an invention, anywhere from 0-150 people comment on it and then the invention's "homepage" either stays the same or changes without seeing what it originally was. There have been attempts at solutions to this like submitters commenting on their own invention with updated pictures or text, but still requires someone to sift through the comments (both constructive and destructive) which is not easy. I propose a picture evolution at the top of the submitter's invention page. This will maybe be a blowup of the "community" section on the "learn" tab of quirky.com. This evolution is represented by pictures and will start with the original idea, then as people comment on that original idea, the submitter updates with synopses and/or pictures. People can then comment on the new generation of the invention (or older ones). This way all of the evolution of the product is available instead of just the original idea. Carrying this out throughout the entire process (even when it gets to branding, tagline, cmf...etc) would be EXTREMELY helpful.
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2I'm really annoyed that ideas are moving so fast into 'under consideration'.
I don't have all day to look through submissions so I can't keep up with all the new ideas. With the scroll feature being slow and refreshing oddly (I have to keep scrolling up to see some ideas), I miss out. There are ideas 'under consideration' that I would of voted for, (one being the timers for pots which I voted for when it was previously submitted) but never got a chance to see. I don't think it is fair for those of use that have full time jobs.
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Hi Shirley...
To your point... "The main frustration I'm hearing is the overwhelming number of submissions to go through"
Ben once said, when asked about the new low $10 submission fee... that there would be a reevaluation of the submission price if need be. Well...
...Isn't a certain Law of Demand telling us something? (shouting really) Wouldn't a submission price increase to $20/$25 be an IMMEDIATE relief to the main frustration stated above?
I can recall previous reasons given by some at Quirky for not pricing beyond 10 bucks -- I simply DO NOT accept the reasoning given that a higher fee inhibits great ideas -- especially now. In fact, I'm certain a more appropriate fee would go a long way towards weeding out poorly-thought ideas and and poorly researched ideas.
I've heard stories of people spending thousands of dollars on an idea they believed in. And frankly... I never shook the feeling of how submitting to Quirky for just a ten-spot kind of cheapened the art of Inventing.
Oh... and by the way, I don't know if you do this, but I really hope you're not giving out free submission coupons with every delivery order.
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Guy, I liked your idea below, but I think that you are underestimating how hard it is for some people to summarize their idea into a short audio/video presentation.
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True. Do you think that if your product cannot be summarized in a short presentation, this problem is a good indication of how well it is going to be received the community? I am sure that there are good solutions that are complicated but maybe just finding a friend who can help better summarize it would make the difference between getting noticed and getting lost.
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Many people will not submit their ideas if they have to pay. Less ideas can be both positive and negative.
Rating was fun! Keep things fun to us!
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Quirky site is very slow with all the submissions. I'm having difficulty opening pages, comment and even voting!
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This site is getting very sluggish. Even just loading my dashboard is taking longer than it should.
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I need to refresh several times to get any pages to load.
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So many application errors and so sluggish...
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There's a thread in the Free-For-All Forum about this - not sure if the poster was totally serious, but unfortunately there's truth to it.
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I have had like 15 Application Errors today switched from iPad to Mac, no improvements, so now I'm calling it a day, very frustrating.... and agree with Stazy really slow, too. Please take a look, thanks.
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To help reduce the number of submissions and get rid of the ideas that are not Quirky products (like web page ideas), what if there was a questionair that had to be completed BEFORE you can submit your idea. This would be kind of like the prescreening ideas that others have mentioned. The questions could help narrow down whether or not the idea would be something Quirky could market and sell to its vendors or that they could produce. If you pass the questionair, then you move to the submission page.
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1@Chad so as not to add a new step, a questionnaire, maybe Q would consider a "Not Under Consideration (NUC)" category since they review everything to see whether to put it in UC, if it doesn't pass it should go to NUC thereby getting rid of a bunch of submissions that others will end up reading (or that just clog up the page) for no reason.
It may not be politically correct after someone just forked over 10 bucks to reject them in a matter of minutes, hours, or days but why lead someone on when Q knows that they idea isn't going anywhere, it's the honest thing to do and in the long run the best way for the better ideas to get constructive comments. At worst, give those rejected a credit for a free new idea or instead of a NUC category, make the category, "Need Improvement" or "Fix These Ideas" to encourage constructive criticism or comment but it would get the "less than great" ideas (or they might just be non-Q ideas) out of the mainstream.- view 1 more comment
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Gentlemen, combine the ideas. A quick questionairre wouldn't be that much to add to the submission process. An automatic evaluation could save some folks $10. After that, Quirky needs to still review ALL submissions to be certain they meet criteria and refund the $10 if rejected. Once submitted, ideas should run the full time period but allow the rest of us the ability to mark them as uninteresting /unviable to keep from having to constantly review them.
I'm sure this would reduce the qty to view but I think there would still be too many submissions in a 30 day period to manage effectively. Minimum needed would be the ability to sort submissions by date so we can focus on those that are newest (to catch the good ones before Q spirits them away to UC) and the oldest (to give them our best consideration before they expire).
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Great idea with NUC! It would let people know what type of ideas they aren't considering as well.
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The way ideas are presented each time you enter is a little confusing, additionally of being a lot slower to browse through than the old system. It gets slower as you browse down into more ideas! It freezes a lot.
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I was wondering if it would help to hear peoples ideas in their own voice. There could be a page where ideas are presented as ten(more or less) second pitches. Each idea would have a large image of the solution and audio of the inventor reading there short description or a "quirkbot" reading the text. If you hear something you like or would like to pull up the full description you can, or bookmark it with the click of a button(spacebar?) and create your very own "under consideration." That way you could passively participate and would be great for those at work Quirkers. When you are ready to really scrutinize and vote, you could just pull up your personal "under consideration" and get your qwerty dirty. These ideas would still be filtered by relevance. Just a thought. I know it would make my experience more enjoyable and at the very least it would be hilarious to hear different peoples "Pitchmen" voices, which are bound to surface. -
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I have on page buttons back now but they do not seem to link true to the in submission buttons...votes disappear, saves disappear. Buttons on the page need to be clicked on multiple times to get the vote/save to log. It is torture to double check votes and saves. One item I had drop a vote twice. Had I not been checking back I would have missed it. The question that arises from all of this is I do not feel I can trust a vote to be secure once cast.
I see I have become faceless on this site as a result of this Beta program:(-
Naomi, your pic needs to be added by editing your profile in get satisfaction. GS will not pull in your quirky profile.
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I like the vault idea and propose that it's use could be expanded; I usually have about 20 ideas on the board in various phases. After getting to know the Q process I can see that some slick marketing of the idea to the Q-munity gives it a far greater chance than just relying on the idea itself with preliminary sketches. Whether I agree with this process or not is irrelevant. A slick3D sketch up of an idea takes me sometimes a few weeks to complete. What to do...I would like Quirky to consider submissions straight to the vault. That way as we complete our "marketing phase" on the drawing table, the idea has a little better protection than just sitting in our head. For me Quirky’s strong point is the modicum of protection implied through username/inventor ID as well as the submission date. When all the graphics are ready then it's time to roll it out of the vault to the Q-munity.
Thoughts?
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Now I even have buttons on my phone...but wait...somehow a Quirky gnome voted for a new submission that I did not vote for...! When I click on the Save button the vote disappears. When I click on the vote button on the submission next to it the vote above disappears...no way can the vote results be considered accurate on this site.
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I get a 404 error page when I try to click to this site from an email notification.
I cannot get to this site at all of course from the participation page of the Quirky site due to the refusal of the "newest"tab to allow any interaction but the most recent submission. I have to go to another page of the site to have any other functionality.
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I'm on the participation page right now and it's skipping up and down about one line for no apparent reason that I can see. For readability this is annoying, especially when one is trying to click on something and that something then moves with the entire page.
I noticed that what is likely the promised hide button–a small x in the top right-hand corner–seems to be added, however, not universally. Some listings have it, some don't.
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Found out what was making the page skip up and down. at top center there is a “latest” widget that announces news flashes. It scrolls through them and when it gets to the one about entrepreneur magazine there is enough room allotted for both that announcement and the search window on the same line. The announcements need to be shorter, or the search window needs to be moved to another line.
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I noticed that you can not download the visuals anymore, visuals with a lot of little details or written information are getting lost....please include a zoom function or reinstate the download feature
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Hey wunderlicht. I've merged your comment into our ongoing New Eval thread. Thanks for the suggestion for improvement. We're working on refining the experience of adding/editing images. Some features went away, but will return. Stay tuned while we work to bring New Eval out of beta!
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Bobby...i hope you guys can fix this soon, it is still a big problem and needs a solution fast
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seems to be working a lot better now on my MacBook Pro. Hasn't seized up my browser in 2 days now.
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i think today the new hide feature has been implemented (by the way thank you very much) but it seem to work only on few submissions, on others it is not showing the X in the upper right corner to hide the submission when you move the mouse in that corner.
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as of today (10-20-11) the hide function has been fixed and is working fine....thanks
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It's kind of a pain to find your idea through your account to see what the vote count is.
If there was a vote count on the idea page itself (hidden from view from everyone but the submitter), it would save me a lot of time - I am thinking I am not the only one?
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Why the lack of luster regarding the 30 day brief deadline? Thirty days is too long for reviewing ideas. One or two weeks should be enough. The thought of having to review re-submissions over and over again for thirty days is boring. There is no exhilaration involved this way. This way feels like quicksand; no way out but down. I understand this is a test, however this part of the test has gone into the abyss. After ideas have been in the "under consideration" category and not making it through has allowed for a lot of re-submissions to pop-up again and again, with no hope again of being chosen. I know after not being chosen and being able to re-submit gives a person hope, however; there are many that have not made changes to the re-submitted idea.
I am optimistic that after this test the "Q" will discontinue the 30 day review and revert back to a one week review, where there was fun and a lot of enthusiasm. A two week review would also suffice. Lets break the monotony of reviews. Quicksand is the death of reviews.
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Please make the site stop throwing us back to page one of the newest page every time a new submission comes in. It interrupts work flow and wastes time. As it is now, the site is acting like a two year old whose parent is on the phone who keeps interrupting the parent's conversation to get attention for what is of lesser immediate importance.
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Silly me...I thought it was only the newest page that went from in a submission to the beginning of the first page. Most active does it too. So each page is exhibiting the same pesky two year old behavior Sad...very sad.
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I've given up trying to view all of the submissions since beta came online. Why? Because the system kept pushing me to the top of the line after going off to view the full submission. By then the new submissions had already been added to the top of the list and scrolling back to where it was takes forever, so I just gave up. Now I am just trying to do a days worth of submissions as they come in, but every time I go to view the entire submission and when I backspace to where was I end up at the top of the list, but what is worse, is not even the same list. I always work under the default–newer–file, and the system is now taking me back to under consideration.
Now that it wants to jerk the back to the beginning most every time I click on the photo or go to view the entire submission, I have now decided to even stop that. So now I can only view the condensed version of the submission or where you click more and nothing more for fear of being taken back to the beginning. At least now it's not freezing my browser, but spent half a day just trying to get back to where it was which the more this happens the more confusing it gets, and that's not taking into account the time it takes to write these notes to service.
I've tried using clicking more ideas and infinite scroll, but neither will allow bringing one back By using back page 2 where one was.
This means not viewing the entire submission, larger photos or making comments. At least I'm not going to try pressing my sanity any further. Just thought you should know.-
I have taken to voting for everything since I found it deleting votes so I could tell when the vote got dropped. Even that is a problem as I have to scroll through all the submissions a couple times a day to make sure the votes are still there. The save button seems to delete votes so I avoid that. I have had random pages open on their own...forcing me back to page one.
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When clicking on the browser's go back one page button, it would be nice if the beta was programmed to return the person to exactly where they were. Not only am I not even getting back to the default page where I was, the system is taking me back to under consideration. If we can't get back to where we left off, it's almost impossible to participate efficiently.
I have my browser set up to returning to Where I was upon restart each morning, but that doesn't work anymore under beta.
I use hide on the first couple of submissions each morning to let me know the next day where I started the day previous–I don't bother hiding all of them. So when the next days submissions, all eyes and fresh I tried to get through the entire day to wear I started the day before. No matter how you cut it, it's far worse than it was before as far as being able to get back to where You were without missing anything.
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That's it... Separate the submissions by the day or week they were submitted.
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If one has to rate 75% of the listings to earn influence, then dividing it down to those received on a daily or weekly basis would be more fair than 75% of the entire list. This would be fairer to those who just signed up, so they don't have to go back and rate–when rating is reintroduced–all submissions in the system to qualify for influence. As people join daily, break down the 75% required to daily lists and then the user can pick how many days they wish to go back.
It's not just a matter of the system being able to get one back to where one was, but a matter of how much time each individual member can devote to rating and earning influence. Some may only be able to commit to 1 day's worth of submissions, others maybe 4 days worth and still others the entire month. I think the calendar idea to pick and choose the days one wishes to rate would be the fairest of all and still offer no system protection from abuse. This way, the number of submissions is irrelevant, as members and then pick and choose the number of submissions they wish to rate down to as low as one days worth. -
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Hey Quirks, pagination and the ability to hide/unhide ideas have been rolled out this week. More to come as the UX team tests solutions to the issues you've highlighted. Thanks so much for sharing!
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I have just uncovered a bug. When one goes to the submissions main page and votes and then returned to the list view the vote doesn't show. It doesn't get erased, as I went back to the item's page and it still indicated it was voted on. For some reason, the vote doesn't carry over to the list page, which can be confusing. Just thought you should know.
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I began using the hide feature today to weed out the weaker submissions...in the process I watched it randomly open the "more" link. The "save "feature" seems to be an eternal save...does not delete from the main face buttons even though you delete it in the submission. There seems to be no consistent link between the buttons inside the submission and the buttons on the face page. I think you may have a rogue hide button that is commandeering the functions of all the other buttons at its will...but randomly so as not to be easily detectable.
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In trade for this one ray of hope, the buttons on the computer site were even worse than before and even gave me a "come back later there is an error"...at least there was an acknowledgment of a problem...!-
Additional comments from more use today...The error message is activated by hitting the save button on the face page after it has been activated. The buttons on the face page show as activated after refreshing the page.
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1I'm sorry but this is ridiculous:
Measuring Food Storage Containers
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Vote October 24, 2011 at 11:40 AM 0.02%
Vote October 24, 2011 at 11:43 AM 0.00%
Vote October 24, 2011 at 11:44 AM 0.00%
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3On the main participation page, the Design and Branding, etc. listings of active items should have a countdown clock or a "Complete" marker similar to the overview in our individual account pages.
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I've heard a few requests for this. I'll bring it up to Tech.
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I would really find it helpful, especially being new to Quriky, if an overview of the total number of ideas for voting/commenting would be easy to find. Maybe some statistics, e.g. sorted by # of ideas with less than 1 week to go, etc.
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Cool! As far as I know those aren't ideas we've tried yet. Tech team has tons on their plates right now but we're open to suggestions if they make sense with our current schedule of updates. I'd like to see if more users feel these features will help them. At that point I can relay the suggestion to Tech.
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I agree with Felix in his request above.
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Something is fishy in Denmark. I just received my weekly Quirky newsletter and for the 2nd time in 2 weeks gathered 0 points. This, despite the fact that I spend 20 hours a week looking over selections, receiving multiple e-mails of so many percentage points to this and that item, and increasing products influenced and products under development under my profile, yet absolutely 0 points. What the heck is going on? I picked winners in every round, yet 2 weeks in a row with no points at all.
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Hey Dave. It looks like you're earning influence just fine. But the fractions earned just might not be enough to register as points yet. We've recently reevaluated how influence percentage displays in users' Account Dashboards. We may take the same approach with the weekly email soon too. For example, instead of using the current equation shown in the email (% x 100 = points) we might adjust for small influence percentages. ie: % x 1000 = points. Does that make sense?
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So how does that apply to some of the weekly winners here who have influenced one idea and have made 500 points or more? Many of these weekly winners have influenced far fewer products and I have, and I get two weeks in a row with no points at all? I mean, some of these newbies get more points in one week than I've gotten in 8 months and I've influenced tens and tens of ideas. How could they be getting 200% to over 1000% more points than I with so few ideas influenced–Some only one and not their invention? Something is wrong and I will be phoning to go through this.
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vote on the list while on the influence page is not working
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as a web developer myself, I understand that these things happen, as nobody seems to want to play the standards game. It doesn't happen with every click to a new page, but it happens often enough. Sometimes with just one or 2 duplicates from the previous page and sometimes as many as 9 duplicates. So it's off this that these aren't multiple submissions. I'm using Firefox 5 on a Mac book Pro running the latest Snow Leopard OS. What else would you like to know, Bobby?
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Thanks so much for the info, Dave. Glitches happen, but we want to do our best to clean up the experience. I've alerted our Tech team about this issue. I'll let you know when they address it.
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I think there needs to be a faster way to scan the submissions. I would love to help out on more projects but i find myself only commenting on readily scrollable ones. It's not that I'm not willing to scroll down and look at all the submissions, it's that many of the submissions catch my attention so I never get really far down the list.
Maybe instead of one submission column there could be two. There's a lot of blank space that isn't necessary in/around/between submission boxes. Even though the space gives it a clean look, I feel it's more user beneficial without it. Another column would allow us twice the scrolling power and would give older ideas more exposure.
Or, what if the submission feeds were horizontal scrolling instead of vertical. There could be four feeds: newest, most active, random, UC. They could scroll automatically from right to left. Maybe you could adjust each feed's speed as well as pause it. A saved button could scroll alongside each product submission. I imagine it being like tickers from the stock exchange. An endlessly looping river of submissions. This might increase traffic for each submission which translates to increase participation.
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Hey Matt. Thanks for the suggestions. We're definitely thinking of ways that we can get even exposure to all ideas. I'll pass these thoughts along.
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1Simple is better. Site navigation is getting complicated... What was gained with this change? Did it paid off?
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IF Q values comments, then the following scenario could be your experience. Your submission would be grouped with your state and 24 others states. You would see half of what is submitted. Lets say the number is 50 in a 24 hour period. You would not vote by clicking a vote box. You would get a vote credit(for influence credit if chosen) only by checking a few of the most viable of marketing questions and or leaving a viable comment. The marketing Questionnaire would be visible to you, however it would not be known which member filled it out to deter back lashing. This info may be useful so you could refine your idea through out the thirty day period. The comment count would only be visible to the staff. This would eliminate flash and dash voting, and eliminate voting from the summery page. It would cause you to open the submission only if the idea was interesting in your own mind. Friend voting would be drastically reduced to a non issue, as friends may be located in one of the other 25 states. And casual speed friend voting would be scarce, as casual friends will not take the time to answer marketing questions, and many will be out of your district. The Q computer software would auto send you a notice after the Q reviewers have reviewed your idea. You would also get a notice when a member left a commented so you could address it, and or defuse an unjustified negative one before it persuades others to not comment/vote. As it is now, I and many others can only leave a few comments,if any at all. There are many that have completely stopped all interaction, because they are the type where its "All or nothing" and or its over whelming to even consider. Out of sight, out of mind.
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1What's with all the duplicates and the fact that it won't let me vote on this page http://www.quirky.com/projects/1230-G....
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I am still getting far too many duplicates in and participate section.
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Come on people, get with the program–visibility. I just went to the social sales page and you have decided to underline the text in the body copy of the chart or whatever they are called, but it still left the headings of each column so light they are almost invisible on my computer. I have calibrated my monitor, using once a week to bring the LEDs and always run the monitor at maximum contrast and yet I still have to highlight the text to read the headings. Websites are meant to be read and someone there is fighting this reality since I brought the problem up months ago. I was not having problems with the body copy, so grow up and let us get the whole page visible.
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1today is the second day I've come across listings I voted on the day before, but when I came across them again they were not marked voted and I was able to vote again. As if voting once didn't take long enough... what's up?
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I'm still getting tons of duplicates, as well.
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Hey everyone! I posted a new idea about making the quirky submission and review proccess a little more fair and thorough for everybody and also possible opening up a new way to communicate ideas and maybe even a new way to make money with Quirky as well as a new way for members of the community to meet and get together. If you have a minute or two would you mind stopping by and letting me know what you think of it?
http://support.quirky.com/quirky/topi...
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