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Show us the final vote count the Top 5 submissions received.
When telling us our final vote count for our submissions, can you let us know how many votes the top 5 vote getters received so we have a frame of reference of how we're doing? I understand that the top 5 vote getters don't necessarily move on, but it's great info for a frame of reference for those of us that may choose to move our products forward on our own. Even if something isn't "Quirky material", if we see that it received a lot of votes relative to the other ideas out there, then that may make us want to pursue the idea beyond Quirky on our own.
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Hey Brad, I hear ya. I'm turning this thread into an idea.
Displaying votes would be pretty straightforward from a tech perspective, but we need a legit reason to do it.
If the point is to help people make a business decision, let's figure out if sharing the number of votes can actually help them make smarter decisions. Share the link to this thread and ask your fellow Quirks to weigh in.Comment -
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Thanks Shirley. I guess I'm not sure why this isn't a no-brainer. To me it doesn't make any sense at all to show me how many votes my submission got if you're not going to show me some context such as how many votes all the other submissions got so that I can see where my idea stacked up against others. It would be important to actually show the number of votes for each submission because I could come in 20th place in the vote getting, but maybe I tied 10 others so I really came in 10th. There are other scenarios I won't bore you with, but it just seems easiest to let all people who submit votes see how many votes all the ideas received as a frame of reference. I would be shocked if everyone in the Quirky community didn't feel the same way. You mention to share this link to other Quirks to weigh in, but I'm not sure what you mean. Is there some other way to ask others beside posting as I'm doing here?
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We're open to the idea. I always want everyone to understand where we're coming from and to join in the discussion. You can share the link to this thread in the community forum.
Right now, there is an evaluation task force taking a look at how we can revamp the whole phase. Take a look, get a feel for all the things that are getting considered. -
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Thanks Shirley. I posted a link to this in the Process tab of the community forum. Hopefully people will see it.
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Hi Shirley, I'm starting to understand how all this works now based on conversations I'm having with other members. Here's my latest take on it. Since people can get family and friends to jump and vote for them, even though those family and friends don't really actively participate in Quirky, it ends up being a popularity contest more than a design contest. Based on this, I don't think my original request to see total vote numbers makes any sense anymore. I'm going to either start a new thread or jump on an existing thread (since I know there are many others before me who have been thinking this same thing) to get the voting process changed. It could be as simple as the community doesn't vote, they just submit the ideas and Quirky picks the winner. Another way to do this would be to only allow those with valid submissions (not just a sentence or 2 about an idea, but something that obviously took some thought and effort in making pictures of some sort) do the voting and only allow them 1 vote a piece with the constraint that you can't use that vote for your own idea. You could also hide the ideators name so people couldn't favor specific people...just ideas. I'd love to hear any information that you have on this. It's just frustrating knowing that no matter what I do, I'm not going to win the vote count because I'm not going to go begging my family and friends to vote. I will still be submitting in the mean time because of the wild card opportunity. I'm guessing the wild card was in response to this specific problem. It just seems like more needs to be done to address this issues, if I am understanding it right. Thanks again for listening. Brad
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Definitely add your thoughts to the discussion. I'd say that eval task force thread is the best place since community members on the task force will read and incorporate your suggestions!
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I hear you loud and clear on this one Brad. I am a web developer and I recently wrote a contest page for a startup I work for using the Facebook like button as a way to vote. I started to notice that the same person was winning each day with really bad videos. So, I set up a table and started tracking user agents and IP addresses from the voters just to see if I could find a pattern. Turns out, the person that was winning every day was (or had in the past for other contests) creating multiple facebook accounts to vote on her own product. Normally I wouldn't use IP alone to make this determination as it could have been a lot of her friends from the same company with the same exposed IP voting, but based on submission times and user agents matching 100% of the votes to an outdated version of Internet Explorer, it was clear that this was the case. We later banned her from the contest and have since employed additional steps to ensure that each vote is at least from a different person/computer.
My point being, any voting system on the internet will always come down to popularity and thus they always fail. All you can hope for is that Quirky is smart enough (which I believe they are) to make their own decisions about which product should be selected. If they are making selections purely off of votes, then there really is no reason to submit if you don't have pull among your 400+ Facebook friends. -
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Ok, will do. I'm just concerned that since the eval task force is made up of community members who could possibly be the people benefiting from the current voting process then this idea could be ignored. I'm not saying they wouldn't be fair, I'm just saying that this may be something that Quirky itself needs to decide. Thanks again. Brad
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True that, Quirky has the same goal you do. We want people's honest opinions about product ideas. We're gonna keep sight of that goal as we revamp the system!
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I'd like to see a final vote count (after submission has ended) and out of how many total votes. I realize that it can be off a bit since people can vote for as many or as little ideas as they want. I'd like to see the count since I want to know how well an idea was received by people. The overall star ratings should be available too. It would give people a clue as to what the community finds useful. It seems like once a submission period voting and rating session is over, people are left in the dark. With the technology, votes and avg. star ratings can be put up within a day of the session ending. 5 days is like an eternity to even find out who won and what the DMV scores are. -
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I would even be happy if Quirky could give us a ballpark figure on the average number of votes current products received. Right now, I have no idea how I'm doing!! -
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Hiding the ideator's name is a FABULOUS idea!!! The idea is the important thing, not from whom it comes.
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2I like this and would also like to see the top 5 and wildcard picks posted in the blog at the beginning of the week instead of having to click through 100 submissions to figure it out.
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I started a new thread Shirley: http://support.quirky.com/quirky/topi...
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Votes can be manipulated via fraudulent accounts or by organizing an army of friends. But quirky invites voting as a means (one only) of evaluating a submission. If votes are too meaningless to display openly, doesn't this call into question the premise ? I'm all for qualifying the votes if possible based on, perhaps, degree of participation, length of membership, frequency of login, or members weight in pounds. Whatever works. But I say the vote total should be displayed. It's part of the fun.
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