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Tether Like Product Not Given to the Original Ideator (add on) and the community!
I and others are VERY concerned about the new idea choice of putting in a product like TETHER by another quirky member. This is just not fair...all influence for add on products (even if it's going to look different) should go to us that influenced Tether and the ideator for any add on products. Please consider that we don't care who it is, but why it was done...thanks.
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Hey folks. We took this product on not because we felt we needed a line extension to Tether, but because the problem that this product solves is intriguing. We have discussed the possible repercussions. If this product really does become a Tether 2, we'll award influence justly. If it becomes something entirely different, we'll proceed as usual.
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3Just want to repost the Solution in the ideator's exact words since I think it's relevant here:
"Introducing Tether for Drinking Glasses (2), a line extension to the already successful wine glass holder, Tether. Tether for Drinking Glasses is made of the same materials as tether, but instead of connecting to the stem, Drinking Glass Tether encircles the drinking glass with that same material (silicone). The ring portion wraps around the glass (glass fits inside), while the rod fits over the dishwasher spike."
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"Tether 2 for Drinking Glasses - Quirky has Tether for wine glasses, WHY not a Tether for water or drink glasses" -
4When the ideator calls their pitch Tether 2 - I think it is clear that it is a LINE EXTENSION.
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3I absolutely agree, this should be a line extension!
Either do line extensions or don't but do not handle it this way on product x,y and another way on product z. That absolutely doesn't make sense! -
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3IMHO, If Tether didn't exist, this would have never seen the light of day. Only as a line extension would this have attracted the attention of QDS, and surprisingly without any affluent amount of sales data on Tether.
It will be most "intriguing" to see why quirky found mugs and glasses to be a tipping problem in any dishwasher. -
I suddenly feeling the need to acquire an attorney to protect my existing product.
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4By allowing this you are setting yourself us for a land grab of marginal and incremental ideas for every product in your range. It is a mistake and will cause ill feeling in the community.
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3If Gary approved of it it's even more reason to give him the influence! -
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3This is a scary precedent. It doesn't seem like a novel idea and I would think that if Tether did so well that Q would develop this on their own. I don't understand this at all. Tether protects stemware, this proposes to used the same exact method to protect another type of glass in the same situation.
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In this case, it's absolutely a line extension. What gives?
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6Copper does pitch it as "Tether 2 for Drinking Glasses". In previous cases the original inventor keeps the influence for all product extensions even if they didn't suggest them.
Cordies - Cordlets
The various (upcoming) Broom Groomer products
I'm sure the answer would be with Cordlets and the other Broom Groomer products retailers expressed enough interest however I highly doubt Quirky would pick an idea that retailers didn't appeal to or show some interest in.
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5This falls under the product line extension if you ask me!
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5Line extension for anyone should be granted to the original ideator...making up the rules along the way doesn't seem to fit the quirky mold...you went out of your way to select this even if Gary approved, it's just unfair to the future ideators that post ideas...now your setting a precedence IMO for anyone to not get influence as a line extension, you guys are better than this...
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4It seems unfair that the inventor of Tether is not getting influence because this is obviously a line extension...... -
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3Tether "Like"???
How about Tether Duplicate??
I posted in the comments while it was in U/C that it should be a line extension.
Once again Q changes the rules to suit themselves.
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3Tether "Like"???
How about Tether Duplicate??
I posted in the comments while it was in U/C that it should be a line extension.
Once again Q changes the rules to suit themselves.
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4It seems unfair that the inventor of Tether is not getting influence because this is obviously a line extension......
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5Line extension for anyone should be granted to the original ideator...making up the rules along the way doesn't seem to fit the quirky mold...you went out of your way to select this even if Gary approved, it's just unfair to the future ideators that post ideas...now your setting a precedence IMO for anyone to not get influence as a line extension, you guys are better than this...
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5This falls under the product line extension if you ask me!
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6Copper does pitch it as "Tether 2 for Drinking Glasses". In previous cases the original inventor keeps the influence for all product extensions even if they didn't suggest them.
Cordies - Cordlets
The various (upcoming) Broom Groomer products
I'm sure the answer would be with Cordlets and the other Broom Groomer products retailers expressed enough interest however I highly doubt Quirky would pick an idea that retailers didn't appeal to or show some interest in.
My opinion: If you're going to start something, don't pick and choose which inventors to do it for, do it across the board.- view 2 more comments
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In this case, it's absolutely a line extension. What gives?
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2I went back and looked at the entry, too, it reads like this
A Line Extention to Tether ( on his art graphics)
Also , says Gary Rose approved so he must of talked to Gary before he submitted (I think) so at Cooper did the right things, Quirky needs to figure it out on Q side
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2yes, we all read it during the selection process, it's not something quirky should be giving to anyone but the original ideator even if Gary proposed it and approved it as a gift...you have to set rules, the problem is are we all now in a situation where our products could be taken and given to someone else as a line extension?? Please address your community on this...
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3This is a scary precedent. It doesn't seem like a novel idea and I would think that if Tether did so well that Q would develop this on their own. I don't understand this at all. Tether protects stemware, this proposes to used the same exact method to protect another type of glass in the same situation.
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2In asked about this in the blog. Maybe Quirky just hasn't adjusted the influence yet?It seems pretty obvious based on the pitch and that Quirky even references the product similarities in the congratulations announcement.
Perhaps a statement also detailing how exactly a member should go about submitting LINE EXTENSION submission vs an original submission from now on? Maybe a tab for it during the submission process? Also how much influence is awarded for line extension concept winner? If it is only 5% perhaps line extensions should be considered free submissions given the smaller reward.
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1Jason is right, if your going to change the rules, you need to allow us to get a line extension as well, if not, then perhaps offer a solution to this mess.
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4By allowing this you are setting yourself us for a land grab of marginal and incremental ideas for every product in your range. It is a mistake and will cause ill feeling in the community.
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Spot on. Really scary. Perhaps there can be a new type of product submission, "line extensions". Where the normal line extension rules apply (80% to original influencers, 20% to new influencers) . This would keep people thinking about ways to use previous concepts, keep rewarding those who have profitable, novel ideas, and continue to reward those who's ideas have been built upon.
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1I'll put in my agreement that this is a line extension.
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I suddenly feeling the need to acquire an attorney to protect my existing product.
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This is like giving away the immunity idol to someone else in "Survivor" and then they vote everyone else out!
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1this definitely sounds like a line extension, it was even presented as such... so why not treat it as one? absolutely agree with the rest!
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Hey folks. We took this product on not because we felt we needed a line extension to Tether, but because the problem that this product solves is intriguing. We have discussed the possible repercussions. If this product really does become a Tether 2, we'll award influence justly. If it becomes something entirely different, we'll proceed as usual.
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Discussed the possible reprecussions, it should never have been a question...it better be so different that we don't see a tether look from a mile away.
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well, that does make sense to me bobby. I think the ideator's tagline distracts from the fact that the final product is often very different but still inspired by the submission. so Quirky might Quietly Innovate one of their own products. -
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3IMHO, If Tether didn't exist, this would have never seen the light of day. Only as a line extension would this have attracted the attention of QDS, and surprisingly without any affluent amount of sales data on Tether.
It will be most "intriguing" to see why quirky found mugs and glasses to be a tipping problem in any dishwasher.-
MC your right, it is not a real problem in the real world anyway, so it will never sell..at best this can be a give a way at a tradeshow that no one will want...where is the expert product selection team and the people that choose products because they are useful to boot?? So disappointing.
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3I absolutely agree, this should be a line extension!
Either do line extensions or don't but do not handle it this way on product x,y and another way on product z. That absolutely doesn't make sense! -
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1Florian, this is why people leave like me for now...I am so fed up with changing the rules and as a long time member, I am seeing this happen at will with no thought for the community and how it will affect us...
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1Quirky needs to be clear what is a line extension and if so of the original influencers, who will get influence on the line extension.
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Let's say Quirky deems Cooper's idea as a line extension, the question now arises who gets influence.
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i.e. if the colour of the new product is blue, then is it fair for the people that voted for purple in Tether get influence or do the people who voted for the blue in the original tether get influence. What if the new tagline and name is different? Is it fair for the tagline and naming winners get influence on the new product? What if the concept is totally different? Again who get's influence?
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This is something Quirky needs to figure out since there are serious ramifications down the line. Another example is the stainless steel broom groomer. How will influence be distributed? Same things will apply to that. Is if fair for all the original influencers to also get influence. What if they use a tagline from the original idea that lost for the new broom groomer? Or just a totally different tagline? Is it fair for the original tagline winner to get influence?
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Just some things to think about.
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If the idea becomes a small rack or cage then shouldn't Gary Rose get influence. Just putting it out there. This is why Quirky needs to be very careful how they deal with this problem.
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like I said who get's influence is the question. What if the final name is called Cage. Then should the submitter of the name tether and all those would voted for the name tether get influence? Quirky has to be very careful before distributing influence if they do decide on it as a line extension.-
OR not call it a line extension for the sake of NOT having to pay out the influence...we will be the judge of this as a community...I agree with Denny, you have to watch what you are doing and how this is affecting the community at all times...
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2Ok.. Just caught up to all of this.. The pitch was "Tether 2" However, since the product hasn't taken any shape yet, there is no reason to be so up in arms.
How often does a pitched product end up exactly what is pitched? If a problem was submtited, and it's solved in a way completely independent from what tether does (which is not a great product in my opinion anyway), it's not a line extension.
Line extensions IMHO should come organically from Q, who talk to retailers and know what will sell in those outlets. If someone pitches a product and pays their fee, it's not a line extension until a substantial amount of aesthetical and functional influence is absorbed from the original idea. Until we have a product, we don't know if that will be the case.
Line extensions are a great thing, and if you ask me, are a gift to us from Q. You all seem to be jumping the gun a little bit here. Using the phrase "Tether 2" was a marketing tactic, and it worked to get some traction behind the idea. The reasons Q selected it likely had nothing to do with that tactic. -
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1It seems unfair that the inventor of Tether is not getting influence because this is obviously a line extension...... OR ARE THEY???? Regardless I agree this would not be useful without the original Tether idea. So this idea Gleans off of the original ideators idea... who should get influence in all rightfulness. -
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1Vicky?? How is it obvious? There is no product yet..
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Regardless I agree this would not be useful without the original Tether idea. So this idea Gleans off of the original ideators idea... who should get influence in all rightfulness.
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It won't be now, to save face I hope...
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4When the ideator calls their pitch Tether 2 - I think it is clear that it is a LINE EXTENSION.
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um, only when we feel strongly, if only one person raised cane it's really just someone ticked off, when a community stands behind something it should be looked at more seriously...you do not have a bunch of non product winners showing up and shouting it's not fair, you have winners who don't want there to be an injustice with lines of products or a add ons without for just anyone to take it...you have to fight for what's right, you may just agree with quirky more than we do I guess...
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Don't drink the Qool-Aid or you'll never be able to wipe the purple poo off your nose. I mean really, do you think that you will win more if Quirky likes ya? Oh wait, that's not so far fetched, is it?
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1Let's face it, we all know the direction where it's going....it's essentially another golden ticket win that Q passes out on occasion.
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I'm wondering what's the diff between a line extention and Quiet innovation? MOST of the time, Q takes existing products and changes them slightly based on an ideator's submitted suggestion/idea...they call it Quiet Innovation. Like "let's take a regular spoon and bend it to hang on your mug" and that idator gets credit for the new use of old product. If the inventor of the spoon were a Quirky member, would the mug stir be a line-extention?
There are SO many subtle grey areas involved with this community approach to product development that I don't know how they've made it this far without mutiny ! OH! What about a rubber band with TWO hooks? Its more like a bungie cord than a Band-It. Bungie Babies? -
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What a joke. Tether is nothing like my idea. My idea wasn't created because of Tether, it was created because I break TOP heavy water glasses in my dishwasher. It is also a series of tied together glass break preventers, NOT a single stem item.
If my idea is an extension to Tether I, then Pod Power is an extension to Pivot Power and Marc's idea (single Pod power) is an extension to both of those. And according to Quirky, they ARE NOT.- view 2 more comments
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And, your pod power/pivot power comparison is way off base. Pivot power is meant to be a small footprint surge protector that swivels to fit your power bricks.
Pod Power is meant to be an extension cord that routes power to different spots.
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3Just want to repost the Solution in the ideator's exact words since I think it's relevant here:
"Introducing Tether for Drinking Glasses (2), a line extension to the already successful wine glass holder, Tether. Tether for Drinking Glasses is made of the same materials as tether, but instead of connecting to the stem, Drinking Glass Tether encircles the drinking glass with that same material (silicone). The ring portion wraps around the glass (glass fits inside), while the rod fits over the dishwasher spike."
And here is the headline:
"Tether 2 for Drinking Glasses - Quirky has Tether for wine glasses, WHY not a Tether for water or drink glasses" -
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2Justin, this is exactly why some people are losing faith...it's very clear as to the intent of the product...I hope that they make this right and DO NOT make this to look anything like Tether as it was sold...my guess is they will have to change this so dramatically to make appease the community and they should...yeesh, it would never have picked had it not been sold as a line extension...thanks for posting that Justin!
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I think the largest problem we'll have is what if they make it like anything else others drew up and submitted in the original tether concept. What if they make it similar to Gary's original design or ones we already voted on? What then? It's a slippery slope that really needs a solution before it sets precedence.
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1+1 Joe.. Sorta.. I think.. :)
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Currently, Quirky seems to pick a submission because of its specific details.
So, unless the details of the product ideas are identical*, there's nothing to worry about.
*Identical, as in really identical. For example: A telescoping window washing device with a 10 inch brush is not identical to a telescoping window washing device with a 12 inch brush.
(The reason this is an issue here at Quirky [but not the rest of the product development world]?
After choosing one submission over another because of the specific details, Quirky seems to then drop those details and develop the generic concept.
Since many earlier submissions of similar ideas will have that same generic concept, those submitters are left feeling exploited/copied/stolen from, etc., when seeing it developed as the invention of a later submitter.
For example: After choosing the 10 inch brush over the earlier submission with the 12 inch brush, Quirky will drop the details in order to develop the generic concept "window washing device".
When the 10 inch submission is eventually developed as a telescoping squirt bottle, the submitter of the earlier 12 inch brush is left feeling like their generic idea of a "window washing device" was stolen.
Of the solutions that have been proposed, IMO the best one is:
"Quirky develops the specific details it chooses."
There are tons of good reasons for this.
No need to filter submissions, no need to look for similar submissions, almost all submissions will be differentiated, it mimics the patent system, Quirky will be doing what any industrial design firm does for an inventor, it solves this issue, new insights are not excluded, people are not allowed to claim ideas they didn't think of, etc.
But, best of all, it fulfills Quirky's core purpose...the reason Ben founded Quirky:
It lets inventors see their invention come to life.
(Not Quirky's invention based on their generic concept, but their invention. From my point of view, that's what inventors want most of all.)
Here's a video of Ben explaining this:
Ben Kaufman: Social Product Development & Gen Y from L2 on FORA.tv
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1Maybe this is a way to think about it:
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